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Drawing with Raymond PettibonMarcel Dzama

September 4, 2019

One of six new films from Art21’s fall 2019 programming

From their mutual gallery in New York City, Marcel Dzama and Raymond Pettibon collaborate on a new series of drawings. “I enjoy working alone for about a month and then after that I really need to be around other artists,” explains Dzama, “I always really enjoy collaboration.” The two artists work side-by-side on large-scale drawings of cathedrals, horses, and waves, allowing their work to unfold organically.

For Dzama, his collaboration with Pettibon is especially significant. “He was the first contemporary artist I had heard of,” explains Dzama, “I really feel that he opened the door for the acceptance drawing as a main art form, not as just the sketch before the painting.”

Since meeting through an event at their gallery, Pettibon and Dzama now frequently collaborate, allowing their own styles and signature imagery to influence one another. “I’ve definitely found that I have this looseness to my work when I collaborate,” says Dzama. “It gives it more of an energy. The work is alive.”

More information and credits


Producer: Ian Forster. Interview: Ian Forster. Editor: Rosie Walunas. Camera: John Marton. Colorist: Jonah Greenstein. Artwork courtesy: Marcel Dzama, Raymond Pettibon, and David Zwirner. Special thanks: Jonathan Munar.

Extended Play is supported by The Andy Warhol Foundation for the Arts; and, in part, by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council; the Art21 Contemporary Council; and by individual contributors.

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Marcel Dzama

Marcel Dzama was born in 1974 in Winnipeg, Canada. Fantastical and absurd, Dzama’s drawings feature a cast of humans, animals, and hybrid creatures rendered in pencil, ink, watercolor, and, at times, root-beer syrup. Dzama draws upon a mix of influences—from childhood monsters, like the Wolfman and Dracula, to the work of artists like Marcel Duchamp, Francisco Goya, William Blake, and Francis Picabia—to create unique worlds that are at once surreal and familiar, sweet and violent, and chaotic and elegant.

Raymond Pettibon

A cult figure among underground music devotees for his early work associated with the Los Angeles punk rock scene, Raymond Pettibon has acquired an international reputation as one of the foremost contemporary American artists working with drawing, text, and artist’s books. Pettibon is as likely to explore the subject of surfing as he is typography; themes from art history and nineteenth-century literature appear in the same breath as 1960s American politics and contemporary pop culture. In the 1990s, Pettibon extended his work beyond the printed page and onto the walls of the exhibition space, creating wall-size drawings and collages.

“He opened the door for the acceptance of drawing as a main art form—not as just the sketch before the painting.”

Marcel Dzama on Raymond Pettibon

Marcel Dzama

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